Comments on: Homeschooling is NOT the Gospel http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/ Looking to the Kingdom from the Wilderness (Rev 21:1-8) Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:45:50 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Shepherd’s Notes » Homeschooling is Not the Gospel http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1387 Shepherd’s Notes » Homeschooling is Not the Gospel Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:13 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1387 [...] You can find the entire article here. [...] [...] You can find the entire article here. [...]

]]> By: Mrs. RBC http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1313 Mrs. RBC Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:10:12 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1313 Hello. Thanks for your post. I appreciate your opinion. I agree that homeschooling is not the gospel! My goodness. But I do believe it is the fruit of such. (or Christian schools, as long as they are godly!) If we truly love the Lord our God with all our hearts then we want to obey His commands. He commands us in Deut 6 to teach our children as we get up walk along the way and lie down. This is impossible if they are gone from us all day. Smile. I have enjoyed having my five children home with me for most of their 'youth' years. Yes, there have been classes and tutors here and there for an hour here or an hour there . But I would not trade AT ALL all the wonderful teaching moments we have had over the years as we got up, walked along, and lived our lives together. We are an evangelistic family. We are constantly looking for opportunities to share the good news of Christ's forgiveness with anyone we can! smile. I realize your children are young and you might have thought all the way through the implications of what you are trying to say. Blogs can sometimes allow for us to think outloud as we are formulating our thoughts. I certainly think your reaction to the home school speaker is right on! Keep up the good discernment on that front. But you might want to pray and study a little more about the history of public education. The Greek model (the gymnasium) as well as the meaning of the word 'educate'....'to lead out'. And think on this: Do you really believe that God the Father would want you to send your children to a humanist to have him/her lead them out? Teaching is leading. We must be careful not to downplay this in talking about the American Public School System. You would probably not send your child to a Buddhist to be taught about the world. Humanism is the new generally accepted religion of our time. Beware of encouraging anyone to send their children to humanists to be 'led out'. That is , in my opinion, why the 'visible' church is so impotent in America. We have corporately been sending our impressionable children to be 'led out' by the humanist thinking/worldview of the public school system. I would recommend a book by Rushdoony THE MESSIANIC CHARACTER OF AMERICAN EDUCATION God bless you on the path...... Sincerely, Mrs. RBC Hello.
Thanks for your post.
I appreciate your opinion.
I agree that homeschooling is not the gospel!
My goodness.
But I do believe it is the fruit of such. (or Christian schools, as long as they are godly!)
If we truly love the Lord our God with all our hearts then we want to obey His commands.
He commands us in Deut 6 to teach our children as we get up walk along the way and lie down.
This is impossible if they are gone from us all day. Smile.
I have enjoyed having my five children home with me for most of their ‘youth’ years. Yes, there have been classes and tutors here and there for an hour here or an hour there .
But I would not trade AT ALL all the wonderful teaching moments we have had over the years as we got up, walked along, and lived our lives together.
We are an evangelistic family.
We are constantly looking for opportunities to share the good news of Christ’s forgiveness with anyone we can! smile.
I realize your children are young and you might have thought all the way through the implications of what you are trying to say.
Blogs can sometimes allow for us to think outloud as we are formulating our thoughts.
I certainly think your reaction to the home school speaker is right on!
Keep up the good discernment on that front.
But you might want to pray and study a little more about the history of public education. The Greek model (the gymnasium) as well as the meaning of the word ‘educate’….’to lead out’.
And think on this: Do you really believe that God the Father would want you to send your children to a humanist to have him/her lead them out? Teaching is leading. We must be careful not to downplay this in talking about the American Public School System. You would probably not send your child to a Buddhist to be taught about the world. Humanism is the new generally accepted religion of our time.
Beware of encouraging anyone to send their children to humanists to be ‘led out’.
That is , in my opinion, why the ‘visible’ church is so impotent in America. We have corporately been sending our impressionable children to be ‘led out’ by the humanist thinking/worldview of the public school system.
I would recommend a book by Rushdoony
THE MESSIANIC CHARACTER OF AMERICAN EDUCATION

God bless you on the path……
Sincerely,
Mrs. RBC

]]> By: Kathleen http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1294 Kathleen Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:50:24 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1294 I just found this site through polymathis' site (which has a good article on the future of homeschooling, too). Though you didn't mention the speaker's name who gave those teachings (having lots of babies, homeschooling, public school=evil, going into government to reform, etc.) it sounds a lot like what Gregg Harris preaches, literally, at times from his church pulpit, as well as his homeschool conferences. I know he has been a keynote speaker at HEAV, so if it was him, then look forward to more of that kind of teaching trying to take over the homeschool world. His teens, the Rebelution twins, Alex and Brett, and now his younger teen son involved in film making with Doug Phillips (Vision Forum) at SAICF, mean that their exclusionist and warped twistings of Scripture for church and family reform/homeschooling will be more prominent in the Homeschool world. I know them personally, because I used to attend their church. They don't take criticism of their extrapolated teachings well, either. I just found this site through polymathis’ site (which has a good article on the future of homeschooling, too). Though you didn’t mention the speaker’s name who gave those teachings (having lots of babies, homeschooling, public school=evil, going into government to reform, etc.) it sounds a lot like what Gregg Harris preaches, literally, at times from his church pulpit, as well as his homeschool conferences.

I know he has been a keynote speaker at HEAV, so if it was him, then look forward to more of that kind of teaching trying to take over the homeschool world. His teens, the Rebelution twins, Alex and Brett, and now his younger teen son involved in film making with Doug Phillips (Vision Forum) at SAICF, mean that their exclusionist and warped twistings of Scripture for church and family reform/homeschooling will be more prominent in the Homeschool world.

I know them personally, because I used to attend their church. They don’t take criticism of their extrapolated teachings well, either.

]]> By: Brian Sandifer http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1293 Brian Sandifer Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:59:32 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1293 Beverly, You'll have to contact HSLDA for permission to use their graphic. I don't have the right to grant permission. Beverly,

You’ll have to contact HSLDA for permission to use their graphic. I don’t have the right to grant permission.

]]> By: Beverly Schulz http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1292 Beverly Schulz Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:08:22 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1292 Hello! I'd like permission to use the image at the top (of the children whispering about homeschooling) for an online homeschool class I'm writing for prospective homeschool parents. I don't see any other place to contact you, so I'll try here! Thank you for any information you can provide. Beverly Schulz Teacherbir@aol.com Hello! I’d like permission to use the image at the top (of the children whispering about homeschooling) for an online homeschool class I’m writing for prospective homeschool parents. I don’t see any other place to contact you, so I’ll try here! Thank you for any information you can provide.

Beverly Schulz
Teacherbir@aol.com

]]> By: Principled Discovery » The politics of home education http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1275 Principled Discovery » The politics of home education Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:57:10 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1275 [...] back America,” or “reclaim the culture,” and view homeschooling as part of the salvation of America.  But the modern homeschool movement also finds its beginnings with equally zealous adherents to a [...] [...] back America,” or “reclaim the culture,” and view homeschooling as part of the salvation of America.  But the modern homeschool movement also finds its beginnings with equally zealous adherents to a [...]

]]> By: polymathis http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1267 polymathis Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:42:11 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1267 Greetings, I ran across this while googling homeschooling critiques. (Not that I'm against it...I'll be doing it soon!). However, I have run across the same presentation you have--in person and in writing. Your short picture of what you witnessed is only half the level of importance that some of the leaders themselves have promoted (called a "revival" or "reformation"). I am greatly interested in this dangerous attitude in some of the leadership (well, self-appointed, I never voted for them). I do not wish to dwell on the negative, but as your blog pointed out there are some great dangers. I have already discovered some glaring statistical and historical errors that are not being addressed (and used to hype up the movement). I would like to combat these errors (while defending proper homeschooling). If you have any useful insights of this (or expansion on this post), please email me pastormathis at gmail dot com. Or if you wish to read about some of the errors go to my blog: polymathis.blogspot.com For God's glory and the spread of the Reformed faith among the homeschoolers, pastor mathis Greetings,

I ran across this while googling homeschooling critiques. (Not that I’m against it…I’ll be doing it soon!). However, I have run across the same presentation you have–in person and in writing. Your short picture of what you witnessed is only half the level of importance that some of the leaders themselves have promoted (called a “revival” or “reformation”). I am greatly interested in this dangerous attitude in some of the leadership (well, self-appointed, I never voted for them).

I do not wish to dwell on the negative, but as your blog pointed out there are some great dangers. I have already discovered some glaring statistical and historical errors that are not being addressed (and used to hype up the movement). I would like to combat these errors (while defending proper homeschooling). If you have any useful insights of this (or expansion on this post), please email me pastormathis at gmail dot com.

Or if you wish to read about some of the errors go to my blog:
polymathis.blogspot.com

For God’s glory and the spread of the Reformed faith among the homeschoolers,

pastor mathis

]]> By: Quick Hits (8/12/08) « My Two Cents http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1231 Quick Hits (8/12/08) « My Two Cents Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:19:32 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1231 [...] This critique of the not-uncommon “homeschooling-is-the-answer-to-the-world’s-problems” ideology of many homeschooling families is quite helpful. And lest any play the martyrdom card, it’s written by a homeschooling dad (and linked to by another homeschooling dad). Here’s a sample: “Furthermore, the problem [with society] is not bad education, it is bad character (sin). The solution is not homeschooling, it is the gospel of Jesus Christ and participating in the growing kingdom of God. The utopian society is not homeschool grads in power, but the consummation of the kingdom of God which will only occur at the second coming of the Lord in glory. I fear that many in the Christian homeschooling movement have a false understanding of the problem, the solution, and the ultimate goal. And smooth-talking, eloquent, yet misguided speakers that give vision and encouragement to homeschooling parents are not helping build the kingdom of God.” [...] [...] This critique of the not-uncommon “homeschooling-is-the-answer-to-the-world’s-problems” ideology of many homeschooling families is quite helpful. And lest any play the martyrdom card, it’s written by a homeschooling dad (and linked to by another homeschooling dad). Here’s a sample: “Furthermore, the problem [with society] is not bad education, it is bad character (sin). The solution is not homeschooling, it is the gospel of Jesus Christ and participating in the growing kingdom of God. The utopian society is not homeschool grads in power, but the consummation of the kingdom of God which will only occur at the second coming of the Lord in glory. I fear that many in the Christian homeschooling movement have a false understanding of the problem, the solution, and the ultimate goal. And smooth-talking, eloquent, yet misguided speakers that give vision and encouragement to homeschooling parents are not helping build the kingdom of God.” [...]

]]> By: Dangitbill! Homeschooling is NOT the gospel! « Confessions of an Undercover Theologian http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1230 Dangitbill! Homeschooling is NOT the gospel! « Confessions of an Undercover Theologian Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:08:43 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1230 [...] Dangitbill! Homeschooling is NOT the gospel! Over the pond it appears that there has been a lot more thought given to distinctly gospel-framed and Christ-centred approaches to education. In the UK Christians, even those who get the Lordship of Christ and are seeking to help students to live for Jesus in their university studies, generally run a mile. I’ve been working on a series of posts about education but as a counter-balance I want to link to this post: “Dangitbill! Homeschooling is NOT the gospel!“. [...] [...] Dangitbill! Homeschooling is NOT the gospel! Over the pond it appears that there has been a lot more thought given to distinctly gospel-framed and Christ-centred approaches to education. In the UK Christians, even those who get the Lordship of Christ and are seeking to help students to live for Jesus in their university studies, generally run a mile. I’ve been working on a series of posts about education but as a counter-balance I want to link to this post: “Dangitbill! Homeschooling is NOT the gospel!“. [...]

]]> By: Tony Felich http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/homeschooling-not-the-gospel/#comment-1226 Tony Felich Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:23:05 +0000 http://dangitbill.wordpress.com/?p=365#comment-1226 Great post. Great post.

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